Wednesday, November 16, 2005

MLSnet errors

While doing all the work for the lineup database, I've made sure to doublecheck the stats. I don't worry about the starters, because I figure that they got those right. But what I do is check the total number of substitute appearances for each team in each season, then I count the number of total subs in the lineups. If they don't match, I have to go through and figure out where the discrepancy is. It's happened a number of times. For your amusement, and for any fellow stat guys out there, here's a list of MLSnet mistakes:

1) First of all, the entire 2001 season is messed up. You can't view any of those match reports. That's just inexcusable. Thankfully though, there's Internet Archive.

2) 1996: Andrew Restrepo missing from season stats page.
3) 1997: Cle Kooiman missing from playoff stats page.
4) 1998: Alberto Montoya missing from season stats page.
5) 1998: Joey Martinez missing from playoff stats page.
6) 1999: David Winner and Caleb Porter missing from season stats page.
7) 2000: Josh Wolff appearance missing from playoff stats page.

8) 3/28/98: Welling Sanchez sub appearance missing for Metrostars.
9) 4/29/98: Mo Johnston sub appearance missing for Kansas City.
10) 5/01/99: Zak Ibsen sub appearance missing for Los Angeles (pretty sure the date is correct, but not 100%).
11) 9/12/99: Andy Williams sub appearance missing for Columbus.
12) 9/19/99: Jim Rooney sub appearance missing for Miami.
13) 8/25/01: Colorado own goal later credited to Chris Carrieri.
14) 5/10/03: Tim Regan sub appearance missing for Metrostars.
15) 7/12/03: Joselito Vaca sub appearance missing from Dallas.
16) 8/16/03: Tyrone Marshall sub appearance missing for Los Angeles
17) 8/30/03: Pat Noonan sub appearance missing for New England.
18) 8/30/03: C.J. Brown sub appearance missing for Chicago.
19) 7/10/04: All subs missing for Columbus & Dallas.
20) 4/30/05: Gilberto Flores sub appearance missing for Metrostars.
21) 6/19/05: Matt Taylor sub appearance missing for Chivas USA.
22) 7/16/05: Mike Magee and Abbe Ibrahim sub appearances missing for Metrostars.
23) 9/24/05: Ian Russell sub appearance missing for San Jose.

I know they don't have a huge budget, but this is unacceptable. I'm going to email them this list, so let's see if anything gets fixed.

EDIT: Oh, and I also forgot to mention there are a number of broken links in the old match reports.

EDIT 2: Looks like I found a few more. I should mention that for the more recent games, you can usually find the sub in the matchtracker/pbp. They just don't show up in the match reports.

Also, the lineups for the US Open Cup games often times aren't on the match reports on MLSnet. I get those from

24) 4/23/05: Ned Grabavoy sub missing for Los Angeles.
25) 5/8/05: Michael Umana sub missing for Los Angeles.

EDIT 3: Should be the last edit, because I'm done with all the teams now.

26) 5/8/05: Alain Nkong sub missing for Colorado.
27) 7/16/05: Hunter Freeman and Guy Melamed subs missing for Colorado.
28) 9/3/05: James Riley sub missing for New England.
29) 9/24/04: Kenny Arena sub missing for Metrostars.

Comments on "MLSnet errors"


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (9:22 AM, November 16, 2005) : 

9/25/97: Branco red card missing for MetroStars. (also effects minutes played for season)


Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:37 PM, November 16, 2005) : 

MLS should offer a job to you. You can watch every game and count completed passes, tackles won, headers won, dribbles, and whatever else. No other league in the world really keeps track of stats. You could start a trend in MLS.


Blogger scaryice said ... (2:44 AM, November 17, 2005) : 

I know they do that stuff for the Premiership. At least I think so. Isn't that what the "Actim Index" is all about?

I wonder if MLS teams have access to those kind of detailed stats.


Blogger D said ... (5:46 PM, November 17, 2005) : 

I imagine its much like baseball, where companies are contracted to do that sort of thing. STATS, Inc. was a private firm that no one payed attention to for a long time.


Blogger D said ... (5:47 PM, November 17, 2005) : 

Oh, and Kurt Angle's first title was a weak championship, as everyone was just waiting for either Triple H or Rocky to come take it from him. Me, I loved Angle, and was hoping he'd job it to Benoit. But that's neither here nor there.


Blogger scaryice said ... (4:50 AM, November 18, 2005) : 

Angle deserved it way more than JBL though. Actually, I enjoy JBL's character a lot now, but I like to see realism in my wrestling. He definitely didn't deserve the title when he got it.

Actually, you could've used the Honky Tonk Man for your example. He was IC champ for so long specifically because people wanted to see him lose so badly. So when he finally lost it, that was one of the classic moments in wrestling history.

Oh, and I believe a Kenny Arena sub appearance was missing from last year. I know because I had to go nuts trying to find it a while ago.


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